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Default BT fraudulent fake prices for leased line in London

BT (British Telecum / Openroach) fraudulent fake prices for leased line in London

The more you insist you want a company to supply
you with 1 gigabit symmetric fibre like Hyperoptic, B4RN, Gigaclear,
Cityfibre, Venus, etc in London, the more you
are told Bhtee with Deutche Telecum rip off merchant
big investor and Openroach doesn't do them and
then they try to sell you a 'leased line' as an alternative
which can be magic'd out of thin air.

When you start discusting 'leased line' options,
you are immediately presented with £6000 install costs
and £6000 per annum running costs in London.

But every time you talk them through their costs,
its like they agree in private its a rip off con,
but they are powerless against management and sales staff
pushing the £12,000 first year final solution
for all customers.

Waaat the *FCUK* is going on in London Offconn???

These *fscking* offconn people are sitting around
all day perpetuating the leased line con for the
whole of 8 MILLION Londoners (more than 10% of ALL UK
population), its businesses and
factories, its workers, and all the kids that can't get
a decent education for lack of high bandwidth speeds.

The rest of the country is paying under £50 for symmetric
1 gigabit internet with equal upload and download
speeds and 3% of the entire UK has this while London
has nothing thanks to offconn which has gone into
hiding over the lack of gigabit symmetric fibre in London
for under £50 per month due to their management trolls getting it all wrong and
bunking off work early
because they can't face the music under press spot light.

Offconn has on numerous occasions has said that all telco operators
and new entrants constantly harass them about access
to the ducts to lay down fibre. Its not the money, its
the 50 miles of paperwork for 5 miles of fibre that is the
problem. While utilities like water can turn up
anywhere and do pretty much anything they want like
install an aquifer extraction bore hole, telecom can't
do anything right including share ducts.
So you got one VM duct, and right next to it one BT duct.

Waaat the faack is going on offconn??

Don't you have some job to do like sort this mess out?
Ducts must be shared on sold off to an agnostic

Its all the revolving doors between BT and offconn
that keeps the whole thing primed to rob industry
and Londoners of symmetric fibre internet.

And what about all these fake leased line prices:

The cost is about £250 per connection and under
$50 per 1Gbit symmetric fibre.

And there is no way to distinguish between a 2km fibre
and a 20km fibre run. So why the *FSCK* is openroach
charging install fees of £200/100m ?????????
You might have to go 50km before needing a repeater.

There is no such thing as a leased line either in
a pure fibre network, or broadband, or superfast broadband
or hyperfast broadband. They are just router settings.
So why are they illegally marketing these fake products
that don't exist?

How to use a fusion splicer to wire up with fibre

If you are krone tool master baiter and desperate
to escape your Openroach employer and go into business
installing fibre everywhere and making a huge profit,
then look at this video on how a farmer's wifey
has made a multi-million pound empire in her back yard
installing fibre.

All you need is a fusion splicer to set yourself
up as a fibre installation engineer - costs about £1000
to get your business going.

Fusion splicer requires a good cutter that
cleaves your glass fibre, and then you put it into
a jig which has around 6 motors to line up the
fibre automatically (and it displays this on
the LCD monitor), and then a sparking electrode
cleans the fibre of debris, and then intense
arcing causes the fibre to heat up and bond
together with less than 0.1dB loss.
The fusion splicer bonds in seconds seamlessly
and doesn't create a mess because the inner
core of the fibre and outer cladding are different
glass and when they melt, they have slightly different
surface tension, so they pull together without
without mixing the two glass together.

Someone 'adept' at using the machine can join
a cable in under 3 minutes.

And you can wear sandals while fusing
fibre optic cables together:

From the videos you can tell,
you really don't need to be 'adept' at using
these automated fusion splicers - its all
just pressing buttons now.

So when BT (British Telecum) and Openroach
are master baiting at your premises
with their 3 to 4 week long fibre install
process, you know they are fscking wahahankers
and just show them the videos of real men
in sandals using fibre optic fusion splicers
and tell them to get their fscking shiite together or
be thrown out the building.

If the whole process of installing fibre doesn't take
more than a few minutes, and the entire
equipment is just a few dollars, then why is
BT Openroach charging £6000 for 100mbit
'leased line' install and £6000 per annum for the
privilege? The install fee is less than £250 and
the per annum cost is less than £20 if
anyone cares to check the actual costs with
decent legally compliant profit for everyone.

These leased lines are nothing of the sort.
In a pure fibre network, they are just router
settings and shared physical lines and back planes.
There just happens to be another con job
that offconn forgets to investigate and refund
customers because it is ex BT engineers manning
those posts through revolving doors.

BT (British Telecum) No Fibre Availability - To The Premises 2020

Some 2 million people in Paris has FTTP.

Sacra Blearghh!!!

Only about 800,000 home in entire UK has FTTP
and the all been supplied by the likes of Hyperoptic, Gigaclear,
B4RN pure fibre companies. They can't keep up with demand.
In London alone some 8 million people in a concentrated
spot for FTTP and offconn will deny them all this?!
The fscking retards should be outed.

These fibre connections are symmetric 1 gigabit
(equal upload and download speed) internet good
for uploading big videos and photo albums to friends
and winder internet as well as many people use it at the same
time watching streaming TV and esports.

The majority of youf just use streaming and esports only.

They have no care of old formats like ad filled teevee
that spends 20 minutes on adverts and 40 minutes programming per hour
or stupid ball dribbling spurts like football.
Nowadays I press mute on all ads across every media.
It ain't gonna work ever no matter what marketing trolls
are comforting themselves with because they have exceeded all
bounds of tolerance.
Its all an annoying grand dad tech
dying and dead market with zero interest.

In esports you can participate in sport which means high upload
speed, or no participation / less effective participation.
In streaming TV you got tens of
thousands of channels in all languages. While grand dad tech teevee
just has looped video with 1 month recycle loops. Wow. You must
be brain dead to watch these loops.

Despite all these changes none of the incumbents are ready
to roll out 1 gbit FTTP by 2020 for under £50 a month
because none of them can use even 1% of the infrastructure
they commission with their crap ideas about content.

Did BT (British Telecum) to VM abuse Connected Voucher Scheme?

Up to £3000 per connection was given away by government
to the big telecum companies to install their expensive
internet data line claiming £100,000 per km fake copper price
when it was less than £5k per km actual price with fibre.

Firstly, is British Telecum full of British Engineers
and British Salesmen? This isn't cricket. Definitely not
their cricket pitch. Inflate something by 5% not
a bad way to earn a quick buck, but inflate it x20
is corruption, graft, greed and not British.
It has to rely on externally supplied push from trolls
who don't stand to be prosecuted.

At an average cost of £250 per connection with fibre
(really it should be less - if including splitters
use to connect up blocks of houses), the benefit
should have gone to 400,000 businesses.
Instead it went to 40,000 businesses - a clear
rip off with an average price of £2500 per install.

This money needs to be returned and people
prosecuted for theft from public purse.

Alternatively, they can atone for their sins
by installing next 800,000 premises at
a discounted connection fee of £100 per
premises with 1 gbit symmetric internet,
waiting several years to get the full
cost refund (if there is need for such a thing)
by charging under £50 per month
for the service as punishment.

Fscking Openroach plans more copper krone tool master bation nation

Waat the fsck is going on inside Bhtee Openroach now???

It has long been decided by telecum industry that
everything will now be fibre with no electric cables in
the ground and no repeaters.

Instead of £100,000 per km, the cost is now £5k per km.

Instead of taking months and years to lay down ducts,
a small team can lay down a km every two to 3 days.

And instead of laying down a few cables, you can
lay down 192 core at $1 per meter, to thousands
between villages and towns without repeaters.

Small 5G modems are coming in and they are going
to be inserted into every other lamp post
and connected directly by fibre to the main
building where all the fibres arrive.

No more telecum masts, no more telecum poles,
no more loss of coverage in villages to underground.

All the routers are custom made with FPGA
on 100Gbit back bone.

But Bhtee Offconn Openroach plan is to continue
installing more copper and muck it all up
and continue to charge £6k per 1Gbit line while
3% of the UK is already on 1gbit fibre for
under £50 a month.

At this rate, no one from Bhtee, Offconn, VM, Openroach
will be offering 1gbit symmetric (equal
upload and download speed) internet service as standard
by 2020.

So waat the fsck did they do with all that public
money given to them? Did they all collectively
lie to government and to the tax payers?

Gigabit fibreoptic routers easy to make with FPGA boards

You can make your own routers for fibre optics with
open source designs and software or pay £30,000 per router.

If you make own routers, then you just hire an FPGA
engineer and 6 months later you got your own designs
and own networks to scale rapidly.

Scaling the fibre optic business is the most important
thing because it costs less than £250 per household to install
fibre optics so if you are charging around £50 per
month for gigabit symmetric fibre link, then its paid for
within 6 months and you can move on to pure profit in
no time.

Even a micro trench 100mm wide can push thousands of fibres
through a route and so its no longer necessary
to worry about how to connect up villages and towns because
the repeaters can be between 20km to 50km away. And if you
bring it into a building, the optical splitters can
split a beam into 64 separate beams for $80.

192 core cables about $1 per meter:

So easily cover a large estate in no time.

It makes you wonder how Bhtee VM and Offconn all lied
to government to get far more funding than they
need for the few services they installed
to service a 180 Billion pound market
comprised of traders and companies in the UK that
rely on the Internet to be working every day
to earn a day's work and pay wages.

The whole bhtee, offconn, openroach, VM, etc infrastructure
needs to be dismantled and sold off and replaced with pure fibre
companies. They already cable up 3% of UK, and only they
need the real funding to get the real work done.

Did Bhtee and Offconn lie to government about fibre prices?

The beelllions earmarked for broadband, particularly rural
broadband doesn't make sense.

Did Bhtee and Offconn and the big telco's collude
and lie to UK Government?

It costs average less than £250 per household to wire
it with symmetric 1 gigabit fibre and if you make your
own FPGA routers as big telecom companies must, then
the entire infrastructure costs for providing
the data transport are pennies.

So for 26 million households, the entire bill
for cabling it up is 6.5 billion pounds.
At £50 per household, the entire thing is paid
for in 6 months.

But the government has earmarked billions for telecom
and have gotten nothing out of it so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fibre ducts are typically 100mm wide a laid may
be 200mm below the surface in minimal dig and install
operation and a small team can cover several kilometers
in a week because fibre does not carry electricity
and repeaters can be 20km to 50km away.
Easily less than £5000 per km and averaging out
to around £100 to £250 per household.

This is nothing like laying a copper
cable, where a duct needs to be erected to protect
the electric cable, and repeaters are needed
every few hundred meters costing £100,000 per km.

So did Bhtee and Offconn and the big telco's collude
and lie to UK Government about laying the fibre
network by using copper [email protected]????????????????

Obviously the fscking retards at offconn to Bhtee
and encumbants like VM have all colluded and lied
systematically to government
and to rural communities about the true costs of cabling up
everyone with gigabit symmetric fibre.

Particularly in rural communities where they are sticking
up poles illegally to hold them up from getting fibre
which doesn't need poles, and doesn't need repeaters
and kilometers of it can be laid in a week by small teams
digging 100mm wide trenches 200mm deep.

Paris gets FTTH to all its 2 million inhabitants - Nothing for London

Sacra bleau!

Paris now has over 2 million FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL (equal upload
and download speed) but London has NOTHING.

A big thank you goes out to *FSCKTARDS* at offconn for being
the vehicle for this.

We need names in front of TV instead fcktards going into hiding and
get out there explaining why Londoners (all 7 million of them, more than
UK population concentrated into one place) cannot have their
FTTH 1 gigabit symmetric DSL connection with equal upload and
download speeds starting at £30 per month to £50 per month
while 3% of the country already has it from the likes of
B4RN, Hyperoptic, Gigaclear, FibreCity etc., and other countries
and big cities like Paris that are competitors have fully cabled up FTTH.
In Sweden you got 30 providers per city while there are zero
providers in London.

So why can't these fsktards at offconn resign and let some
other authority be set up to that are pro-fibre and let Londoners
have fibre to the home?

It pushes up the value of London by at leas 2 billion pounds.
And each and every city can add the same value now that
we are brex****ting and have to have this technology to be

All it requires is some trolls to be spanked and sacked in
Offconn, and replaced with pro-fibre interest commercial
managers and bob is your uncle - value of UK goes up by
at least 50 billion when 25 cities and towns get cabled up
with fibre.

Bhtee VM accidentally leak their FTTP equipment prices


So I'm setting up BhteeVM_Leeks_Web**** web with retail price
list for these items (wholesale cheaper):

64 way splitter $85 -

fibre - --$375/km

cleaver -$62-

sleeves - 5 cents -

gigabit transceiver: 20km/1000BASE-LX - $17

The best way to build routers is to hire FPGA engineers and build the
yourself from FPGA
and scale up rapidly
by building copies of own boards.

Otherwise have to purchase say a Cisco router upward £30,000.
Instead pay FPGA engineer £60,000 for 6 months to create as many FPGA boards
as you need for routers.

Examples of what can be done:

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