On Jan 9, 4:06*pm, "Ophelia" wrote:

I say bloody well done to the ONE newspaper who ais standing up for us!


Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of being in the EU, would it
actually be economically viable to survive outside of it?

Could we trade with EU members as we do now? What would change?

Genuine question, copied to uk.finance.

On 09/01/2011 16:47, Rasta Pickles wrote:
On Jan 9, 4:06 pm, wrote:

I say bloody well done to the ONE newspaper who ais standing up for us!


Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of being in the EU, would it
actually be economically viable to survive outside of it?

Could we trade with EU members as we do now?

I can't see why not. Are you suggesting they wouldn't want to trade with
us? Why would they not want to?

The main problem I have is that we originally joined the European Common
Market. However, little by little it has changed and more and more
bureaucracy and regulation crept in. What we now have not the ECC, but
the EEC, and we don't like it.

Rob Graham

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On 09/01/2011 16:47, Rasta Pickles wrote:
On Jan 9, 4:06 pm, wrote:

I say bloody well done to the ONE newspaper who ais standing up for us!


Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of being in the EU, would it
actually be economically viable to survive outside of it?

Could we trade with EU members as we do now?

I can't see why not. Are you suggesting they wouldn't want to trade with
us? Why would they not want to?

Quite so. We buy far more from the EU than they do from us. Just one small
point also, we pay the EU millions of £s EVERY DAY for the privilege of
allowing them to dictate our laws...and we have not voted for ONE of those
people who dictate to us. Have we been given a choice? NO! Brown slid in
to avoid photographers when he signed us up and as for Cameron's 'Cast iron
promise' of a vote.. we all know how fast he reneged on THAT!!!

There is much more to say on this, but the Express are doing a good job so
far. As they say.... don't get me started

The main problem I have is that we originally joined the European Common
Market. However, little by little it has changed and more and more
bureaucracy and regulation crept in. What we now have not the ECC, but the
EEC, and we don't like it.

Yes!
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On Jan 9, 5:04*pm, Rob Graham wrote:

I can't see why not. Are you suggesting they wouldn't want to trade with
us? Why would they not want to?


Because common sense tells me if we could save hundreds of millions of
pounds a year by ditching the EU without any adverse consequences we'd
have.......erm....... done it.

Wouldn't we?

So there must be something stopping us?

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On Jan 9, 5:04 pm, Rob Graham wrote:

I can't see why not. Are you suggesting they wouldn't want to trade with
us? Why would they not want to?


Because common sense tells me if we could save hundreds of millions of
pounds a year by ditching the EU without any adverse consequences we'd
have.......erm....... done it.

Wouldn't we?

So there must be something stopping us?

Our politicians! They know what will happen if they give us a vote.. do
they don't! They are no longer our servants.. they are our masters
Have you noticed how all our politicians end up in the EU with huge salaries
and even more huge pensions?

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On Jan 9, 4:06 pm, "Ophelia" wrote:

I say bloody well done to the ONE newspaper who ais standing up for us!


Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of being in the EU, would it
actually be economically viable to survive outside of it?

Could we trade with EU members as we do now? What would change?

We could trade with the EU without being part of the EU.

America and China manage it.

But we'd have to adapt to EU rules for things like health and safety.
Switzerland and Norway abide by a *lot* of EU regulations.

Sometimes that wouldn't be a problem. Recently, they set 27 sofas on fire
and the UK sofa turned out not to burn as well as the rest. Our product
safety is often good enough or better than most.

Switzerland has to sit back and accept anything the EU says as regards
financial services, markets in financial instruments, Basel III, etc,
whereas we have a say.

Switzerland doesn't have a big voice in WTO rules - tariffs and stuff but EU
countries are represented by Ashton. Or intellectual property in WIPO, which
is important to the UK. That's not always an advantage though, as Ashton
might negotiate against our interests (see current row about selling
missiles to the Chinese).

"DVH" wrote in message
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"Rasta Pickles" wrote in message
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On Jan 9, 4:06 pm, "Ophelia" wrote:

I say bloody well done to the ONE newspaper who ais standing up for us!


Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of being in the EU, would it
actually be economically viable to survive outside of it?

Could we trade with EU members as we do now? What would change?

We could trade with the EU without being part of the EU.

America and China manage it.

But we'd have to adapt to EU rules for things like health and safety.
Switzerland and Norway abide by a *lot* of EU regulations.

Sometimes that wouldn't be a problem. Recently, they set 27 sofas on fire
and the UK sofa turned out not to burn as well as the rest. Our product
safety is often good enough or better than most.

Switzerland has to sit back and accept anything the EU says as regards
financial services, markets in financial instruments, Basel III, etc,
whereas we have a say.

Switzerland doesn't have a big voice in WTO rules - tariffs and stuff but
EU countries are represented by Ashton. Or intellectual property in WIPO,
which is important to the UK. That's not always an advantage though, as
Ashton might negotiate against our interests (see current row about
selling missiles to the Chinese).

What was wrong with the Commonwealth!!! We did ok without dictators!
Remember, WE buy far more from the EU than they do from us!!


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On Jan 9, 6:12*pm, "DVH" wrote:
"Rasta Pickles" wrote in message

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On Jan 9, 4:06 pm, "Ophelia" wrote:



I say bloody well done to the ONE newspaper who ais standing up for us!

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of being in the EU, would it
actually be economically viable to survive outside of it?

Could we trade with EU members as we do now? *What would change?

We could trade with the EU without being part of the EU.

America and China manage it.

But we'd have to adapt to EU rules for things like health and safety.
Switzerland and Norway abide by a *lot* of EU regulations.

Sometimes that wouldn't be a problem. Recently, they set 27 sofas on fire
and the UK sofa turned out not to burn as well as the rest. Our product
safety is often good enough or better than most.

Switzerland has to sit back and accept anything the EU says as regards
financial services, markets in financial instruments, Basel III, etc,
whereas we have a say.

Switzerland doesn't have a big voice in WTO rules - tariffs and stuff but EU
countries are represented by Ashton. Or intellectual property in WIPO, which
is important to the UK. That's not always an advantage though, as Ashton
might negotiate against our interests (see current row about selling
missiles to the Chinese).

Informative post. Thanks!

On 09/01/2011 19:37, Ophelia wrote:


"DVH" wrote in message
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"Rasta Pickles" wrote in message
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On Jan 9, 4:06 pm, "Ophelia" wrote:

I say bloody well done to the ONE newspaper who ais standing up for us!


Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of being in the EU, would it
actually be economically viable to survive outside of it?

Could we trade with EU members as we do now? What would change?

We could trade with the EU without being part of the EU.

America and China manage it.

But we'd have to adapt to EU rules for things like health and safety.
Switzerland and Norway abide by a *lot* of EU regulations.

Sometimes that wouldn't be a problem. Recently, they set 27 sofas on
fire and the UK sofa turned out not to burn as well as the rest. Our
product safety is often good enough or better than most.

Switzerland has to sit back and accept anything the EU says as regards
financial services, markets in financial instruments, Basel III, etc,
whereas we have a say.

Switzerland doesn't have a big voice in WTO rules - tariffs and stuff
but EU countries are represented by Ashton. Or intellectual property
in WIPO, which is important to the UK. That's not always an advantage
though, as Ashton might negotiate against our interests (see current
row about selling missiles to the Chinese).

What was wrong with the Commonwealth!!! We did ok without dictators!
Remember, WE buy far more from the EU than they do from us!!


At one time for some goods we had a Commonwealth Preference Tariff. For
tobacco that made fags from Commonwealth tobacco Tuppence cheaper for
twenty.
Derek

On 2011\01\09 18:12, DVH wrote:

But we'd have to adapt to EU rules for things like health and safety.
Switzerland and Norway abide by a *lot* of EU regulations.

Sometimes that wouldn't be a problem. Recently, they set 27 sofas on fire
and the UK sofa turned out not to burn as well as the rest. Our product
safety is often good enough or better than most.

Switzerland has to sit back and accept anything the EU says as regards
financial services, markets in financial instruments, Basel III, etc,
whereas we have a say.

Switzerland doesn't have a big voice in WTO rules - tariffs and stuff but EU
countries are represented by Ashton. Or intellectual property in WIPO, which
is important to the UK. That's not always an advantage though, as Ashton
might negotiate against our interests (see current row about selling
missiles to the Chinese).

We wouldn't get as good a deal as Switzerland. The Eurocrats would want
to punish us for rising to our feet far more than they want to punish
the Swiss for never kneeling. But that's even more reason to want to
leave IMO.