"gaz" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:
"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
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It's not really surprising, given that the BNP is basically Old
Labour with added racism and subtracted intelligence. But, given how
far behind Labour is in the polls at the moment, you can understand
why they want to try and attract the neanderthal vote.

Yeah right. Because Old Labour were really a bunch of Hitler
worshipping ****s. Tell me ****forbrains, you do know that the BNP
was founded by that well known lefty, John Tyndall?

BNP has reactionary socialism at its core, certainly labour of 1983.

A fashionable view that is informed by a pathological ignorance of history.
The BNP is neo-Nazi party. The genesis of the Nazi party was in the extreme
right Freikorps formed from demobbed soldiers after the Armistice, who could
be characterised by their hatred of socialists and Jews. The only extent to
which Nazism was 'socialist' was in the anti-capitalism of Strasser, which
held sway for a short period in the 1920s. Its final purging happened in
June 1934 when Strasser and other anti-capitalists in the SA were shot. The
'socialist' in National Socialist means about as much as the 'democratic' in
German Democratic Republic.

Col Colt wrote:
"gaz" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:
"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
house.net...

It's not really surprising, given that the BNP is basically Old
Labour with added racism and subtracted intelligence. But, given
how far behind Labour is in the polls at the moment, you can
understand why they want to try and attract the neanderthal vote.

Yeah right. Because Old Labour were really a bunch of Hitler
worshipping ****s. Tell me ****forbrains, you do know that the BNP
was founded by that well known lefty, John Tyndall?

BNP has reactionary socialism at its core, certainly labour of 1983.

A fashionable view that is informed by a pathological ignorance of
history. The BNP is neo-Nazi party. The genesis of the Nazi party
was in the extreme right Freikorps formed from demobbed soldiers
after the Armistice, who could be characterised by their hatred of
socialists and Jews. The only extent to which Nazism was 'socialist'
was in the anti-capitalism of Strasser, which held sway for a short
period in the 1920s. Its final purging happened in June 1934 when
Strasser and other anti-capitalists in the SA were shot. The
'socialist' in National Socialist means about as much as the
'democratic' in German Democratic Republic.

No. A lot of the BNP polices are in fact socialist and not fascist, they are
quite keen on ownership as well as control by the state of majore sectors of
the economy.

Gaz

"gaz" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:
"gaz" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:
"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
house.net...

It's not really surprising, given that the BNP is basically Old
Labour with added racism and subtracted intelligence. But, given
how far behind Labour is in the polls at the moment, you can
understand why they want to try and attract the neanderthal vote.

Yeah right. Because Old Labour were really a bunch of Hitler
worshipping ****s. Tell me ****forbrains, you do know that the BNP
was founded by that well known lefty, John Tyndall?

BNP has reactionary socialism at its core, certainly labour of 1983.

A fashionable view that is informed by a pathological ignorance of
history. The BNP is neo-Nazi party. The genesis of the Nazi party
was in the extreme right Freikorps formed from demobbed soldiers
after the Armistice, who could be characterised by their hatred of
socialists and Jews. The only extent to which Nazism was 'socialist'
was in the anti-capitalism of Strasser, which held sway for a short
period in the 1920s. Its final purging happened in June 1934 when
Strasser and other anti-capitalists in the SA were shot. The
'socialist' in National Socialist means about as much as the
'democratic' in German Democratic Republic.

No. A lot of the BNP polices are in fact socialist and not fascist, they
are quite keen on ownership as well as control by the state of majore
sectors of the economy.

As I said, a view informed by a wilful ignorance of history. The BNP is a
neo-Nazi party; its senior members all came out of the sewer of extreme
right politics in the 60s and 70s. It maintains active links with the KKK
and european fascist parties. Yet apologists for it like you try to claim
that it is a more muscular Labour party.

Col Colt wrote:
"gaz" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:
"gaz" wrote in message
...
Col Colt wrote:
"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
house.net...

It's not really surprising, given that the BNP is basically Old
Labour with added racism and subtracted intelligence. But, given
how far behind Labour is in the polls at the moment, you can
understand why they want to try and attract the neanderthal vote.

Yeah right. Because Old Labour were really a bunch of Hitler
worshipping ****s. Tell me ****forbrains, you do know that the
BNP was founded by that well known lefty, John Tyndall?

BNP has reactionary socialism at its core, certainly labour of
1983.
A fashionable view that is informed by a pathological ignorance of
history. The BNP is neo-Nazi party. The genesis of the Nazi party
was in the extreme right Freikorps formed from demobbed soldiers
after the Armistice, who could be characterised by their hatred of
socialists and Jews. The only extent to which Nazism was
'socialist' was in the anti-capitalism of Strasser, which held sway
for a short period in the 1920s. Its final purging happened in
June 1934 when Strasser and other anti-capitalists in the SA were
shot. The 'socialist' in National Socialist means about as much as
the 'democratic' in German Democratic Republic.

No. A lot of the BNP polices are in fact socialist and not fascist,
they are quite keen on ownership as well as control by the state of
majore sectors of the economy.

As I said, a view informed by a wilful ignorance of history.

My degree in politics and history says otherwise.


The BNP
is a neo-Nazi party; its senior members all came out of the sewer of
extreme right politics in the 60s and 70s.

And? Your thinking is lazy, people and organisations change. While their
views on race and nationalism have not changed much, their development of
wider policies on economic issues is fairly new, and that is certainly
socialist, and isolated from the restof their views would fit squarely into
1983 Labour Party.


It maintains active links
with the KKK and european fascist parties. Yet apologists for it
like you try to claim that it is a more muscular Labour party.

The Labour Party are the only party with representation at Westminister that
are in the process of passing racial preference laws.

Gaz

"gaz" wrote in message
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As I said, a view informed by a wilful ignorance of history.

My degree in politics and history says otherwise.

Then you should know better. The 'Nazis are really socialists' meme is
readily refuted by a knowledge of the history of period in which Nazism
developed.

The BNP
is a neo-Nazi party; its senior members all came out of the sewer of
extreme right politics in the 60s and 70s.

And? Your thinking is lazy, people and organisations change.
And what evidence is there that the BNP has changed? It's a Nazi party so
it will say pretty much anything to get elected. Its only firm principles
are nationalism and race supremacy. If you don't believe me, here it is out
of Griffin's own mouth:

http://www.wikio.co.uk/video/1162415

While their views on race and nationalism have not changed much, their
development of wider policies on economic issues is fairly new

Too right it's 'fairly new'. The BNP is opportunistic and it has correctly
figured out that in the neo-liberal consensus that both Tories and Labour
subscribe to, the traditional working classes are the losers. Labour is
doing nothing for such people so up pops the BNP telling them it's all the
fault of immigrants.

and that is certainly
socialist, and isolated from the restof their views would fit squarely
into 1983 Labour Party.

One could just as well say that isolated from the rest of their views,
elements of BNP policy would fit well with 1970 Conservatives. All this
debating about BNP 'policy' is rather beside the point, as it assume that
these are serious policies that the leadership actually endorse rather than
cynical devices to appeal to disgruntled Labour voters.

It maintains active links
with the KKK and european fascist parties. Yet apologists for it
like you try to claim that it is a more muscular Labour party.

The Labour Party are the only party with representation at Westminister
that are in the process of passing racial preference laws.

Unfortunately, yes. And this is the biggest threat that the BNP pose.
There is not a hope of the BNP getting into power; whenever they do get a
bit of local power they invariably screw up and get booted out. The threat
comes from mainstream parties introducing laws to appease the BNP vote.

Col Colt wrote:

The threat comes from mainstream parties introducing laws to appease
the BNP vote.

They are certainly appeasing someone with their racial preference laws, but
it aint the BNP vote.

Gaz

"gaz" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:

The threat comes from mainstream parties introducing laws to appease
the BNP vote.

They are certainly appeasing someone with their racial preference laws,
but it aint the BNP vote.

Ha ha. Very funny. British jobs for British workers. British homes for
British people. Yeah right, nothing to do with appeasing the BNP vote. The
reality is that the BNP is a highly opportunistic party. In the years of
Tory ascendancy it targetted lower middle class Tories. Now it targets
erstwhile Labour voters. It's a chamelion. It dare not peddle its true
views because Hitler worship and Holocaust denial are major vote losers. It
looks for weakness in the established parties and exploits it. Had you
viewed the clip I posted, you would have seen Griffin being quite open about
that strategy.

Col Colt wrote:
"gaz" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:

The threat comes from mainstream parties introducing laws to appease
the BNP vote.
They are certainly appeasing someone with their racial preference laws,
but it aint the BNP vote.

Ha ha. Very funny. British jobs for British workers. British homes for
British people. Yeah right, nothing to do with appeasing the BNP vote. The
reality is that the BNP is a highly opportunistic party.

So there was nothing opportunistic about the birth of New Labour?

In the years of
Tory ascendancy it targetted lower middle class Tories. Now it targets
erstwhile Labour voters. It's a chamelion. It dare not peddle its true
views because Hitler worship and Holocaust denial are major vote losers. It
looks for weakness in the established parties and exploits it. Had you
viewed the clip I posted, you would have seen Griffin being quite open about
that strategy.




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"®i©ardo" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:
"gaz" wrote in message
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Col Colt wrote:

The threat comes from mainstream parties introducing laws to appease
the BNP vote.
They are certainly appeasing someone with their racial preference laws,
but it aint the BNP vote.

Ha ha. Very funny. British jobs for British workers. British homes for
British people. Yeah right, nothing to do with appeasing the BNP vote.
The reality is that the BNP is a highly opportunistic party.

So there was nothing opportunistic about the birth of New Labour?

Well Blair was always a small c conservative so i think his commitment to
liassez fair economics was genuine. Much of the rest of the party was much
more sceptical - and as it turns out, with good reason - so you could say
that they were being opportunistic.

I am not attacking the BNP for being opportunistic. All parties are
opportunists to some degree. But the BNP's opportunism is the key to its
rather incoherent set of policies. Gaz tells us that BNP's desire to
nationalise some industries makes them akin to Labour 1983. It's a ********
argument. You could just as well say that the BNP's racial attitudes and
barely hidden support for 'repatriation' of brown and black skinned people,
its nationalism and support for a strong armed forces, makes it a
comfortable fit within the Conservative Party of the 1970s. But that would
be as unfair as saying that parts of its policies are old style Labour. And
it also massively misses the point, that the BNP is attempting to make
itself palatable to sections of Tory and Labour voters, so naturally it
adopts policies that will facilitate that objective.

Col Colt wrote:

"gaz" wrote in message
...
Col Colt wrote:

The threat comes from mainstream parties
introducing laws to appease the BNP vote.

They are certainly appeasing someone with
their racial preference laws, but it aint
the BNP vote.

Ha ha. Very funny. British jobs for British
workers. British homes for British people.

I would have thought it economic sense, Get all
the British into jobs instead of paying money to
foreign workers and paying British workers to
stay at home.
Nothing to do with race.

Yeah right, nothing to do with appeasing the
BNP vote. The reality is that the BNP is a
highly opportunistic party. In the years of
Tory ascendancy it targetted lower middle class
Tories. Now it targets erstwhile Labour
voters. It's a chamelion. It dare not peddle
its true views because Hitler worship and
Holocaust denial are major vote losers. It
looks for weakness in the established parties
and exploits it. Had you viewed the clip I
posted, you would have seen Griffin being quite
open about that strategy.

Unlike every other party?

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